That's great, Girl-Grinder. Isn't that the most awesome feeling? Suddenly don't feel so tired anymore.

I'm glad to see that racism extends into the poker tables as well. Why are asians such easy targets? If I had made a similar statement about a black player I would immediately get called out as a racist, but make fun of how the "accepted minority" talks and it's all good. I hope I run into you at the tables so I can stack your ignorant self.

@socalvegasmk

The only racism here is in your own little twisted mind. She did not say anything bad about Asians. She talked about an incident of playing with a clueless highroller that happened to be Asian. There is nothing that she said that smacked of racism. If you play long enough you will run across people who are gambling clueless and don't care.

Go back home and drivel.

@rlloydevans

The only racism here is in your own little twisted mind. She did not say anything bad about Asians. She talked about an incident of playing with a clueless highroller that happened to be Asian. There is nothing that she said that smacked of racism. If you play long enough you will run across people who are gambling clueless and don't care.

Go back home and drivel.[/quote]

no she was making fun of the way he spoke in a manner that was clearly meant to belittle him simply because as a non native english speaker he sounds different.

I agree. That is jacked up how she made fun of his speech. If she was talking about a black person and said something like "he said yo yo, no what I'm sayin..." or something like that, it would be a racist statement. I hope she gets felted...

So, when people make fun of my hillbilly drawl, do I get to call them out for being racist?

If she had made fun of the way I talk, or someone from Boston, or a Chicago accent would you all have been offended? What if the guy was Russian? Would you be wishing ill will toward her for that?

@tooloose

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Making fun of him? You need to reread the post. I think she was making clear, from his speech and the way he was treated by the casino personnel, that he didn't know about poker, and his difficulty with the English language was part of the situation.

I am a teacher and a writer. I teach Native Spanish, Chinese and Korean speakers in an English environment. I have real problems with real racism without a bunch of stupid nits making a big thing when there isn't any there. Want to worry about racsim? Go to Colombia where blacks are openly called the "N" word - nothing wrong with it, right, because that "N" word describes them right? Go to Japan or Korea where there is real hate between the cultures. ("I can't work with him teacher, he is Korean and they are not honest, you know this, yes?") Go to Africa where members of one tribe merrily rape and kill those persons of others. Worry about the supervisor at work who would rather give a job to a white person because they don't think a black person has enough smarts to do it. Worry about that racism. That is racism that we need to pound our fists and condemn in outraged voices and heatedly penned words. While there is definitely racism in the US, I would love for most of the blind idiots talking about racism here to go visit some third world countries. Visit Thailand, visit Peru, visit Myanmar, visit India, visit France or Spain or Italy for God's sake. See real racism there that would make you puke.

Bristle every time someone mentions a difference in someone? That is not indignation at racism. That is having a skin so thin, with political over-correctness so rampant, that perception of any difference is intolerated. In that case we might as well just require all people within the borders of the 48 lower states to wear khaki, shave our body hair and all call ourselves John and Jane Smith. We might as well pass a law that all must talk exactly the same way and use exactly the same words because we might just inflame someone because we have said something that might make someone think we don't love everybody.

In truth, we are different people. We believe, act, talk, dress, worship, celebrate, enjoy and love each in our individual way. Instead of condemning a recognition of difference out of hand with some excruciatingly shallow reading of "racism" take the time and read and try understanding. That type of attitude will go a lot farther in solving the real problems with real bigotries we have. We will not become a world where differences are truly accepted until we embrace those differences and cherish those differences, not condemn them.

Yes and no. Being from Boston, or the south or any other region where english speakers have an accent is not a race. So the term racism would not really apply.

If you were offended by someone making fun of your accent that very well may be a legitmate complaint for you to make.

However my experience is that most of the time when someone is making fun of a regional accent they are simply making a joke without any real malice or negative intentions. However I much more frequently hear native english speaking people making fun of Asian accents as well as accents of many other non-white groups, and the dialect spoken by certain cultural subsets of native english speakers.

I fully support your right to do so, but don't pretend that there isn't frequently a racist basis to these types of comments.

@rlloydevans

yes you are quite right. Telling me that the player said "sree sowsand" instead of three thousand clearly alerts me that he is ignorant about poker.

You have proved my point. Thank you.

You guys are really stretching this into something its not. I do not see anything other than a description. How do you even work up the energy to call this person racist and why did you have to refer to black people? Something tells me at one point you were accused of being racist for something you said and are now spitefully trying to bring others down by being nitty. In this case you couldn't even take words and twist them get a life.

She says "little Asian guy"
-Nothing wrong with this, especially if he was little and Asian!

She says he said "sree sowsand"
She could have said "accent in which she didnt really understand perfectly" but decided to sound it out.

Shes says he said "sree-hundred"
She understood this one. But maybe he in fact said something that sounded like "sree-hundred".

I think the only issue here is her calling him a fish. But I am guessing it is ok to call people a fish?

My mother in law tends to call her son and I "assholes" but when she says it-it sounds to me like "a-hoh". Would that line be considered racist?

BenjaminsClub

I don't know, is it really a bad thing to include the alliteration of the player's speech pattern in a description of the scene? Is it materially different than, say, including the distinctive sound of a New Joysay fellow in a descriptive account? Maybe, I don't know. I'm really genuinely not sure. I do know that this is something I have done myself more than once, including past posts on this site which included some descriptions of the actions of players at a poker table who were from nations in Asia and weren't native English speakers.

I've lived for very substantial periods of time in a country in Asia, have lived with people there in their home and was effectively part of the extended family, came to speak (rather poorly) a smattering of several dialects of their ancient language, very nearly married a woman there, plan to become a permanent resident of that country in my retirement, and have gone so far as to investigate whether dual citizenship is possible. Yet, after considering the replies in this thread, I'm really not sure if some of my own descriptive accounts, which I've thought of as simply an attempt to be as accurate and fully descriptive in painting the scene through words as my modest writing ability could make them, were possibly something totally different that I would want avoid doing again. I'm really not sure.

I do know that I enjoyed reading the post. And that Girl-Grinder owes those very considerate security guys big time, for being so thoughtful in bringing that nice gentleman and his bankroll to the table to give poker a whirl.

EDIT: I drafted and posted this before seeing several of the most recent replies. I see some of my reaction to the reaction was addressed from different points of view by others. And I'm really still not sure. I may do the same thing again myself, or not, it's one I want to think about a bit more carefully.

You guys have this ALL wrong...LMAO. I suspect the Asian guy is at home right now telling the stories of the silly Americans fighting over the casino table game scraps.

Think about it. Two suits escorting an Asian guy at PH? I have only seen this treatment with the true superstars and fighters strolling through the place. And he drops a couple grand? If the truth were known, I suspect PH comps that guy a bottle of wine every night at dinner that cost more than he lost to the minnows at the 1-2 table.

You want to see something really funny. Lets see how bad we all butcher the words for three thousand and three hundred in Japanese. Hell, at least the guy was trying. Which is more than I can say I do in other countries.

I doubt the original poster meant any malice. And I do think we have all become much too politically correct, especially when you see the music lyrics and video games our country produces.

So let's let it go...because I can assure you, the little Asian guy is the one laughing. He threw some spare coins on the ground and watched the children killing each other trying to get it. THIS was his entertainment.

Forget all the racist stuff..i'm sure there are TONS of places to post about that....is this guy still at a table somewhere??

In all seriousness, I'd have to say yes, some people are thin skinned, and I'll follow that with she was simply writing descriptively about what she heard. She meant no malice I'm sure. Can't we all just get along? If anyone calls me a chubby, wite dude, should I get mad?? No, I am a chubby, white dude. I may even sound funny to others - who really gives a crap? I just want the fish to keep playing bad. If anything, we should be asking her how come she didn't do everything in her powers to keep the guy at the table - make him so happy to be playing that he will be back as soon as he gets some sleep.

@psand
I appreciate the air of civility you have made in your posts and the fact that you are treating this as an open and frank discussion amongst peers. I don't know, maybe she was a little out of line with her comments but the sheer vitriol in the other responses bothered me. Maybe more so because we are treating the accent of one group of people as sacred while we openly eviscerating the speech of another group of people and chalking it up to good natured fun.

Should we throw Dave Chappel into the fire for his mock white guy talk? Eddie Murphy? Sure hope not cause those guys are funny. So are Engvall and Foxworthy. No, the people that posted the ill will comments are just a bunch of internet peacocks waving their feathers around. I love the intuitive leap that she makes fun of asians so she must be a poor poker player and I would love to play with her so I can stack her. PUH-LEASE!

For the record, people with Southern, Hillbilly (Kentucky/Ohio), and Texas accents are quite often assumed to be of lesser intelligence by the people who think it is funny to mock us. Don't get me wrong, I don't get offended and this false perception makes it a easier for me to extract chips from some of the self righteous city types. After all, us hill folk often assume the same of the city types. I've lived and worked in and around Chicago for 13 years now so I'm slowly losing my accent and becoming a city type. (My wife disagrees with this until she hears my family talk.)

All I'm saying, in my last long winded response to this topic, is that we advance farther as a society discussing our differences of opinions like adults than we do by posting hate inspired drivel like some of the rhetoric that appears earlier in this thread.

rlloydevans wrote

did he ever say "FRUSH - I FROPPED IT" ??

The point is that context is everything.

Most frequently comedians telling jokes that address racial and ethnic themes are in fact making fun of those people who are in fact racists and believe the stuff the comedian is saying. And when a comedian makes these jokes we know in fact that his purpose is to be humorous not malcious.

When the same statement is made by someone else it very well may be malicious.

So if David Chappel is mocking white people at a comedy show I take for a joke.

If some guy associated with Louis Farrakhan is mocking white people at a protest Rally I may be more incline dtio take it as hate speech.

@TheOD

What the f*ck's a Frush???

@socalvegasmk

Threadjack!!!

Come to think of it, if anyone is going to catch flack for this kind of thing I should've taken a bunch of it for a recent post in which I described an opponent as Mao Tse Tung and later in the hand as the Communist Menace. Not that it was any reflection on his national origin, not at all, nope, it was because I was actually playing with Chairman Mao after someone dug him up out of his crypt and propped him up in the three seat.

You guys need to take a deep breath and relax. That post is no more racist than South Park doing Kim Jong Il with the same bad accent. Making fun of someone is not the same as racism, it's all a matter of taste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EDNF8eB ... E2&index=6

I was with a friend at the Bally's elevator going up to our rooms. He has a strong Southern Georgia accent.
The elevator is pretty packed and a young Northeastern guy asks my friend where he's from. My friend replies (with a drawl) Geooooorgia. The other guy makes fun of his drawl and repeats ....Geooooorgia..... so my friend turns to him and tells him in no uncertain terms that "contrary to popular belief, not everyone from Georgia is stupid." The other guy gets flustered and responds..."I wasn't making fun of your intelligence...I was laughing at your grammar." My friend quickly says..."My grammar? She died three months ago."

ROFLMAO

@evry

Priceless!