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OMG,WTF I FOLDED QUADS!!!!!
the player on my left raises to $50 so alarm bells start as i consider him a good player as he has shown in the past few hours. Everyone folds to player in the 8 seat who goes all in with $84. I am not too concerned as my player on my left is my worry and I put the player in the 8 seat at A something or high pocket pair. So I am looking at a raise of about $60. So I hold on like forever,rightly so as cboys are hard to put down, and the dealer finally call for me to act and I
fold them and turn them over and i stand up. The player on my left calls right away and DOES HAVE pocket rockets so I was correct and the player in 8 seat had pocket ladies. Player to my left said he could see why I took SO SO long to decided. Flop comes K,9,K I go ballistic,unglued and almost
get kicked out of the room. My behavior was totally unacceptable. Maybe it was the beer working but my actions were wrong. 5 blanks for the 2 players and the guy on my left took the pot. I still made the tough correct decision preflop!!
How big were the stacks for you and the guy with AA? What reads did you have that made you so certain you were up against AA, rather than AK/QQ/JJ? Since you had to think for a long time, you obviously didn't put him on only AA. If that's the case, and you aren't looking at stacks of $400 or more, I don't think I ever fold KK here. If he has AA, so be it. But you are good against a lot of his range, so what made you fold?
1. You never folded quads...you folded kings. And, seriously, you folded kings into a $60 raise? The only way you should do that is if you know...and I mean KNOW that the other guy has aces, and even then, in the grand scheme of things, it's only $60. For $60, I'd take my chances with against most anything. But, be that as it may...
2. Going ballistic, unglued and almost getting kicked out of a room, drunk or not, is a complete and total douchebag move. You folded, you surrendered, you gave up. Be a man. Move on.
3. I hope you made money the rest of the night...
Did I read it right...You turned over your kings before the solid player could call the all in?
As was noted above, you only folded kings....If you feel the need to vent go to the john and then come back
@BGBUCK
That's how I read it, too. If that's the case, then .... bad form, sir.
Oh, and ....
@DallasManUFan
This.
+1 to all replies...
This post was more dissapointing than a bad beat story....
You folded preflop, depending on the stacks, any player may have done the same thing, thats pretty much there is to it.
something about this story just does not ring true. Please edit and fix what you wrote. Add the stack size of the guy with AAs. I don't see how anyone can ever fold with KKs unless the stacks are monstrous and you get 4-bet by some NIT or something. like I said, something about this story just does not ring true. add more details.
I agree with the others.
Subject line is VERY misleading - was expecting to hear something "interesting" like somehow you knew that someone had a straight flush and folded quads (and then found out you were wrong).
As some others mentioned, you certainly did not fold quads you folded a pair, which only had the potential to make quads and many other hands, obviously.
I'm as tight a player as they come and no way am I folding pocket kings when it would only cost about $60.
@Santa Fe Rail
once the alcohol has cleared outta your system, please fill in some of the blanks about this hand. given what little you've posted so far, I'm pretty sure that if it was only $60 to call, most of us would've called the raise in a heartbeat. rarely is it correct to fold KK pre-flop - this was NOT one of those times.
$159 in the pot (25 + 50 +84) so getting about 2.7 on your $59 call. If he has AA so be it
I think bottom line is that hero needs to be something like 80-90% sure the guy has aces for it to be correct to fold (might be fun to do the math). And it is very rare to be in a position to be that sure.
I know me and if I were drinking and I had pocket kings, I would have reraised all in!
@AlaskaGal
ditto, and me, with or without the drinks. no way in the world i fold pocket kings, and i'm a total n00b... i just don't get how an 'experienced' poker player can fold kk's...
Not only do I think I couldn't fold the Kings in that spot, I'm not so sure you should for the price you seemed to be getting. Playing low buy-in 1-2 NL, you are going to lose your buy-in every so often. Getting it in pre-flop vs. kings is probabaly one of those place where you have to go and hope for the best...
arguments can be made to fold KKs pre-flop in a tourney structure. In fact, I was dealt KKs first hand of a tourney a couple weeks ago. This was a fast 3000 chip structure at Ballys. I was the button. two people limped for 50. I raised to 400. The big blind then went all in for 3000 total. Next two people folded. I called and said "hope you don't have AAs." He showed me AAs which held up. I said "what can you do?" and went over and rebought. It was the first hand of a newbie tourney so I figured his range was easily wide enough. I guess if I was confident enough in my abilities I could've folded and still had most of my stack. I'm not good enough for that.
Funny Note: I ended up knocking him out of the tourney later in a pre-flop all in jjs vs 1010s. revenge. you can read the 10 minute long story of my trip in the trip reports under "March Madness trip with the boys". Story is funny (I think), but long.
I recall reading that Phil Hellmuth has only folded KK pre-flop four times in his life. I think you could probably make a decision to never fold KK and still play it profitably.
I won't even bother with a comment on the decision to fold, but at this point... @Santa Fe Rail ...I was rooting for the casino to do the right thing and escort you out of the property. Regardless of the subsequent display of garden variety postflop douchebaggery.
The more I think about it, the only way you should fold KK here is if: a) the other player tabled his AA before you folded, or b) you are playing online and have an Ultimate Bet "superuser" account.
BTW, even poker room newbies know better than to show their hand with action pending. I hope that was a simple mistake or case of brainlock.
I guess I will comment on the play. I'm not necessarily sure I'm folding even if AA has tabled his hand in front of me, if he's playing with enough money behind. And I'm a freakin' low limit rock.
Online, I can't remember, does the UltimateBlecch superuser account give Grange the flop too, or just the opponent's hole cards?
@Local Rock
It depends on just how "super" they think you are.
But anyone in a pot with Phil Hellmuth is allowed once per session to designate a "miracle tilt" river card ...
NO WAY I'm folding KK for $60. I think this thread is bring being a NIT to a whole new level.
I forget who the pro was who said he loves playing against good players who not only think they can read their opponents accurately, but who look for chances to make a great laydown to demonstrate their skill.
@Clem2754 That was supposed to be my job.
No way I'm folding KK pre-flop in a cash game, especially I think your getting the right odds to at least see 3 cards. In a tourney, that's a different matter, especially if your on the bubble.
Maybe this thread is actually not about folding KK to AA preflop (yeah alright you read it right for 1 sec.), then going ballistic when it flops quads. Isn't that the same as folding a nut flush draw or 2 pair on the turn to an AI, then the card you need (to make a flush or full house) hits on the river? I mean that's poker.
I see your hand and raise you the following from a Saturday session at Bally’s:
Big stack to my right opens the action for $15 in a 1 / 2 game. Obviously he's got Q's, K's or A's (duh). I see 5/6 hearts and fold. Two other players call. Flop comes 5, 5, 5. By the river all three players end up all in and really without much hesitation at all. If I had called I would have taken down a $750+ pot. In a 1 / 2 game. Correct me if you think I’m wrong but that strikes me as approaching a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Sadly this missed opportunity somehow pales in comparison to cumulative effect of the most un-freaking unbelievable litany of horrific luck over the course of an entire weekend that nary any other human has been forced to endure. I know we’ve all heard the boring bad beat stories so I won't go there. Suffice to say somehow, somewhere very recently I pissed in the pokers god’s cereal , they didn’t like it and this was their chance to get their payback. Or as the obnoxious, drunk, self described ‘cripple in a wheelchair’ yelled at me after I folded a missed flop to his C bet: “revenge is a bitch!”
If you can't play Kings for $60 at a cash table, then perhaps poker is simply not for you.
You folded KK with $162 (1+2+25+50+84) in the middle? All you had to put in was $60? WTF?
@oski88
First, you must have been truly evil to piss off the poker gods and the disabled so badly.
Second, pardon me for continuing to laugh at this story.
The OP folded pocket kings preflop because he thought an opponent had pocket aces. The opponent did have pocket aces, so in the midst of all the criticism we may want to cut the OP some slack and credit him with a good read.
Fair enough. Point well taken.@timpramas