Riding the No-Limit Roller Coaster

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This is a summary of two trips I have taken in the past 8 months. I'm returning to Las Vegas in July, so the adrenaline is already building!

Trip #1:

I flew into Las Vegas last October to meet my longtime best friend, who is flying in from New York. We try to meet up in Vegas about once a year, and were psyched for the trip after an epic trip the year before (see http://www.allvegaspoker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7602 for the report on that epic trip).

I take my first bad beat of the trip when I board my Southwest Airlines flight only to discover that I left my large pile of Southwest free drink coupons at home on my dresser. NOT good!

My luck quickly changes when James and I both arrive on time, with our flights arriving just 5 minutes apart. No boredom or time to kill at the airport -- Nice! I win a quick $20 when I get paid off on my bet that my luggage will make it to the carousel before James' luggage.

We score again when for a mere $20 per day, we are able to grab a gold convertible Ford Mustang from Thrifty. Rental cars in Vegas are very underrated. For the price of a single round trip cab fare to and from the airport you can get 3 full days of a rental car. The parking at all the hotel/casinos are free, and a rental car gives you freedom to go anywhere on a whim, and cruising the Strip at night is an awesome sight.

James is Scottish-Irish and looks the part. I am 100 percent WASP but have dark hair, dark eyes, and a fairly dark complexion for a white guy. James likes to kid me about looking Italian or Latin, especially considering I have dated my share of Italians and Latinas. As we pull out of the airport garage, I vow to double the speed limit everywhere we go in our gold convertible Mustang. I say, "Of course, in a car like this I'll have every cop in the state looking to pull me over." James replies, "Yeah, especially when they think I'm being kidnapped by a Mexican." -- I'm laughing so hard I almost crash into the car in front of us. What better way to start the trip?!

We pull into Caesars and pull off another nice score. I had booked us a three-night weekend package (arrive Friday, leave Monday) for a total of $280, including a $75 restaurant credit and 2 passes to Qua (the spa at Caesars Palace). Amazing deal! I decide to push my luck at check-in and give the guy checking us in $20. I tell him I would greatly appreciate any upgrades he can give us, but that the money is for him regardless. He upgrades us from a Roman Tower standard room to a Palace Tower premium room overlooking the Garden of the Gods pool. Very nice!

As nice as things are going, this quickly becomes my most painful gambling trip ever. James is horrible at poker, so we play blackjack together while we pound the drinks and cut up together. We start off at Planet Hollywood to see the Pleasure Pit. Hot girls dancing in cages above the blackjack pit was great, except that I lost $200 in 1 hour while watching them.

We move on to the Flamingo and I quickly drop another $150 in blackjack in 20 minutes, despite playing perfect strategy. As we prepare to head out, we pass by the Flamingo's version of the pleasure pit. A very well-built dealer is dressed in revealing lingerie with an empty table in front of her. I am hooked, and drop another $200 in 30 minutes.

So here we are, just a few hours into our trip, and I am already down $550. We spend the rest of the night drinking and smoking cigars as we stroll up and down the strip. On a whim, I duck into O'Sheas and put $50 on a single hand of Casino War. I get a king and am loving life. Dealer gets a king. We go to war, and my queen loses to an ace. Ugh!!!!!

The next day we hang out in Qua. It is SO amazing! I feel really, really strongly about 3 college football bets and also kind of like another 5 bets. I put $100 on each. I win all 3 of the games I really liked, but lose 4 out of the 5 others. With the vig, I lose money -- but have a great time watching the games while soaking in the Qua mineral water.

Saturday night we cruise the strip drinking and James wins some money in craps. I decide to be wing man, saving my money for NFL betting the next day. Sunday comes and there are no toss-ups in my mind. I pick all of the games, but decide to learn from Saturday's lesson and only bet the 2 that I feel strongest about. I split the two games that I bet (Green Bay crushes Cleveland, but Chicago loses to Cincinnati, so I lose the vig), but would have won LITERALLY EVERY OTHER GAME on the schedule! I am stunned in disbelief that I picked 11 out of 12 games right but actually lost money. My mood is not helped by the fact that James was right on only 1 of his 5 picks, but he keeps letting me know that the only game he bet is the one he picked right.

We are watching the games in the Stratosphere football cave -- which I HIGHLY recommend for plenty of large TV screens and cheap drinks and food. In a fit of frustration I decide to ditch James and play poker. I sit down with a good, angry buzz going. It takes me about 5 seconds to realize that this is amateur hour at the poker table. Almost every hand has a large pre-flop raise, and every large pre-flop raise gets several calls. Nobody ever folds after the flop, regardless of the bets that are made. I decide to sit tight and not enter any hand unless I have a great hand.

Within a few hands I am dealt pocket aces in the big blind. Everybody at the table calls, and the pot is just under $20 when it comes to me. I raise to $25, figuring it the right amount to induce one or two callers that I can fleece after the flop. Two players call, and the pot is $100.

The flop is A-7-3 rainbow. I am loving life. I lead out at $50 and both players call. The pot is now $250. The next card is a 2, and the second spade on the board. Not wanting anybody to draw out on me, I decide to take it down right there, pushing all in with my remaining $225. The guy on my left folds, but the remaining player (a kid of about 23 with long hair) calls. We flip over our cards. He shows Qs,9s. Are you kidding me? Nothing but a flush draw? All right, I tell myself, I am an 80% favorite and only need to dodge a spade. Of course, a spade comes on the river, and I lose my whole stack just like that.

I keep my cool, though I am fuming inside, and say very graciously, "nice hand, good game," as I get up to leave. The kid smirks and gives me a look like I am the biggest donkey in the world.

Sooooo..... that is why I did not write up that trip here for many months. In fact, I could not even watch the WSOP November Nine or play online for several months after that horrendous beat to end a horrendous gambling trip. Someone once posted here that it seemed fishy that the overwhelming number of trip reports here report victories. Well, the reason is that it is far more enjoyable to write up a winning session than to write up a session that makes you want to puke every time you think about it.

Trip 2:

I have an April business trip to Vegas and I am pumped for heavy-duty poker. It's just me on the trip, so I expect to play a lot more poker than usual.

I ONCE AGAIN forget my Southwest Airlines free drink coupons. I have about 100 of them, but they will apparently never do me any good.

Check-in at the Paris is quick, but I get shut out on the $20 trick at the front desk. Not a good start to the trip, as I am in the back of the hotel overlooking 7-11 or something.

I go straight to the Bellagio and sit down for some 1-2 NL. I join the table as two players show down on the river. The player on my immediate right pushes all in (about $300). The player about 4 spots to my left calls (he has a stack of about $1,000). The guy on my right shows bottom pair. The guy who called the all-in bet shows queen high. Are you kidding me?!!!!

I decide that I have been seated at the right table. I have a budget of $200 per day for the 3-day trip. The buy-in at Bellagio is $200, but I feel confident I won't be losing it anytime soon.

In my very first hand I get dealt pocket kings on the button. The guy who just lost the all-in bet raises it to $10. The guy two seats to my right calls. I raise it to $35 and they both call. The flop is Qs-9c-4h. The all-in guy bets $25. The other guy calls. The pot is now roughly $100, and I decide to push with my remaining $175. The all-in guy calls, and the other guy folds. We turn over our cards. The all-in guy has 4d,8d for bottom pair. I show my pocket kings. Turn is a rag, but all-in guy spikes the improbable 8 on the river. I have now played precisely two hands on my 2 most recent Vegas trips, and have been busted out each time -- for a total of $500 -- with incredibly bad beats on each one. Arghhh!!!!

I think about walking away after the one single hand, having reached my daily budget. Screw it, I tell myself, and rebuy. The very next hand I get pocket queens. The same all-in guy raises to $10 again. The same caller calls again. I once again raise it to $35. Both of them call again. It is like the Twilight Zone.

I tell myself that with two callers, a single ace or king probably kills me. I tell myself that if no king or ace shows on the flop, I will push all in. The dealer turns over the cards. I immediately see a king. Arghhhh!!!!! But underneath it she shows a queen. Nice!!!! Underneath that is a rag. All-in guy bets $25 again. The other guy calls again. I feel like its Groundhog Day all over again. I push $175 into the $150 pot. All-in guy thinks for about 10 minutes. He is about to fold when I remind him he has $1,000 in front of him and he's playing with my money anyway. He says, "you're right," and thinks some more. But he eventually folds. Darn! The other guy calls. He turns over AJ and needs a 10 for the straight. To my total amazement, he doesn't hit his 10 and I have recouped most of my losses from the previous hand.

The table breaks soon thereafter, but I play the Bellagio for another 3 hours at another table. The competition is surprisingly predictable, and I win another $250. A very good night.

The room itself has gone downhill over the years. The decor is nice but not exceptional. The tables are so close to one another that I many times inadvertently slammed chair backs with the guy behind me. Drink service was virtually nonexistent. But it was nevertheless cool playing in such a storied poker room.

The next day I play at Venetian and slowly build my bankroll. The competition is fairly tough, but I am pleased to still be builing my stack. Poker tables were spilling out of the poker room and taking over part of the casino floor. I was placed in the spillover area, which greatly detracted from the experience. On the other hand, the tables were very nice and comfortable and drink service was very quick and very friendly.

The big hand of the day comes when I once again hit trip queens on the flop. When a second club hits on the turn, I push all in ($600 into a $100 pot) to take it down and discourage flush mining. I get called by somebody with $300 in front of him looking for a flush draw. He is betting almost even money ($300 into what is now a $400 pot) that he will hit the flush (a 20% probability). Of course, he hits the club on the river, and I break even for the day. Should have been up $600. Oh well...

I head back to Paris and stroll around the casino while savoring a Romeo y Julietta Vintage cigar. I tell myself I will not play anything other than poker, so as not to repeat the horrible losses of my previous trip. But as I am strolling the casino, smoking my cigar, and enjoying the ambiance, a rather attractive woman sitting at a blackjack table makes eye contact with me and smiles. All right, I tell myself, I am not here looking to hook up, but how can I pass on taking the seat next to her?

I take the seat next to her and buy $200 in chips. Conversation is fun and natural, as there is no tension emanating from a planned hookup. We have a great time playing blackjack and I double up for another $200 in about an hour and a half. I go to bed feeling much better about my break-even poker session at the Venetian.

The next day I go to the Wynn. There was only a single 1-2 NL table going, which was quite disappointing. The poker room is awesome, as was the drink service, but it was just so darn quiet in there. Some people like a quiet poker room, but I like a little buzz of excitement.

The competition at the Wynn was very, very tough. I played very tight/aggressive and was fortunate to build up a $500 profit, even though I felt I was at best average for the table. I decide it is time to call it a night, but I have a drink coming. I decide to play just a few hands until my drink comes, and will only play if I get a monster hand.

My drink comes as I sit on the big blind with 8-5. I decide to fold to any raise. But everyone folds except the button and small blind, who call. I get a dream flop of 8,8,5. I lead out for $10, hoping not to scare everyone off. The button folds, but the small blind raises to $30. Yes!!! I act like I am facing a very tough decision, and then say, "Screw it, I'm all in," and hope the small blind has an 8. The small blind calls and flips over 8-A. Yahtzee for me! The turn is a rag, but, of course, he spikes an ace on the river. ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I walk out of the poker room absolutely steaming. I am still up $200 for the day, but it should have been $800. As I leave, I see a blackjack table with two very hot, clearly rich, somewhat older women (in their early 50s) playing. They are clearly well kept, as they are wearing about $50,000 of jewely each, along with $5,000 cocktail dresses. What the heck, I say, I have to sit down and get in on this vibe.

The two are not only hot, but incredibly nice. They and their husbands were planning on going to Paris (the real one, not the hotel I was staying at), but the Iceland volcano had shut down flights to Europe. So they decided to hit Vegas instead. Their husbands were out golfing while they played $25 blackjack. Again, with no pretense/desire/hope to hook up, conversation was smooth, fun, and easy. The vibe shows in the cards as the three of us go on a monster run while the rest of the table keeps losing. One of them wins $300, the other one wins $1,000, and I win $400 in the span of an hour. They finally go to meet their husbands for dinner, and I clear out now that the vibe is clearly gone.

So, for the trip I win $400 in poker and $600 in blackjack. I have NEVER had a blackjack trip as successful as this one! From now on, I will only play at blackjack tables with hot women, lol.

I go back to Vegas on another business trip in July. I am pumped!

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  1. @JamieTee

    It is this silliness that is driving me away from poker. I long for the days where when I lost at stud or A-5, when I lost to competent players that simply outplayed me. I could easily accept that and rarely went on tilt in those days. Now, it doesn't matter where you go, it is the same thing. People betting their stacks on a draw, and hitting way too often. The other night at my local donkey joint, I turned the nut straight with two flush draws out there. I of course said enough of this hand and moved all-in without hesitation, figuring I'd take the $80 or so pot right there. Both other players called on their respective flush draws. I had them easily covered. Luckily I faded them both on the river, which, like you said, was surprising. I sat there in disbelief that both guys would put there entire stacks in on the last card on a flush draw, and what was even worse was that one of them had J-8 suited and the other 10-9 suited. They still could have been beaten even if they hit it. Yet, they both insta-called.

  2. @JamieTee

    No, over the long run they hit their draws exactly as often as they're supposed to, according to the probability.

    What you are basically doing is complaining that you play with inferior players. How do expect to win? By playing experienced/superior players? So you would really rather play at a table full of rocks, TAGs and professionals? You'd really rather NOT play with donks who push with non-nut flush draws with a card to come?

    Sounds illogical to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

    The Captain

  3. I agree with the Captain, and also believe these stories of bad beats get posted more than the positive stories of dodging the draws. If I lose to an inferior hand, or against someone who is drawing with long odds, I would not change a thing. I would gladly go back into the same situation if given the chance again.

    But I have to admit, the beats the OP posted are pretty rough and leave you scratching your heads at times. Makes me frustratingly ask, "where is the skill in this game". This is a big reason I play tournaments alot. If I lose my $75 or whatever buy-in due to a nasty 2 outer, I feel ok about it, more so than if I dropped $250 on the hand.

    Either way............just my two cents. Thanks for the trip report!

  4. Maybe you guys are right, that it only feels like they are hitting more than they should. What gets me is that I can recall the last few times I dodged the flush draw, but can recall every more times I didn't. Like I have said many times here before, maybe I am just out-of-touch with today's NLHE game, as things were a lot different pre-Moneymaker. Just go look at the 2003 Main Event on ESPN for example, so see how differently the game was played. You'll see guys folded a set like they had nothing.

    I can tell you that these beats are enough to keep me away from poker, as, believe it or not, I have logged more table hours in Vegas in 2010, which is 550 miles from where I live, than I have at the 4 donkey joints within 20 minutes of my house.

    Let me tell you about a hand I was involved in on Saturday night in a 1-2NL game that might give you a better sense of my frustration. I had Ad-Jd in the small blind with a raise to $12 and call. I did what I am supposed to do, which was re-raise to $35. Get the Original raiser to call and a fold. Flop comes 2 diamonds and something else. I immediately bet $40. Get called. Turn is a blank, no realistic straight out there, I bet $50. Get called. Hit the nuts on the river. Bet $60, looking obviously to get paid. Guy tanks for a minute, then folds, but right before he does shows the guy next to him his cards. Before I can say anything another player says to the dealer, "I want to see his cards." Dealers flips them over. He rivered a 9-high flush and mucked! I looked over at him and said, "thanks for that" and smiled a bit. Truth is, inside I was burning the hell up. Why would the guy call on the draw, hit it, and then fold? I have no idea what this guy was thinking. If he thought I was betting a flush draw the whole way, and he only had a 9-high, why not fold on the flop, or on the turn? He could not have been drawing to anything else, because he had no pair and no straight draw. Sure, one could say he got a good read on me and realized that I hit the flush on the river because I was not afraid to bet, but I cannot comprehend why someone would invest $125 in a hand and then fold to a bet of half that, as he was getting more than 4-1 if his flush was good.

    Again, maybe I am the problem and can't truly admit it to myself.

  5. These bad beats and "mathematically challenged" calls by others, is leading me to wonder......"should I adjust"?

    Meaning........and I think the answer lays in understanding who you are up against/knowing your competition, but I will try to ask the question with an example. Hope I can explain it well enough because I really am hoping for your feedback everyone.

    Say you have pocket Kings. There is a $10 raise before you and when it comes to your turn, you re-raise to $35 to chase a random ace, and that raiser folds. You get 1 caller who has position. We'll pretend that you and this caller both have $500 behind you. For this example, we reveal that this caller has 9 10 of diamonds. Flop comes King of clubs, 4 of diamonds, 6 of diamonds. You are first to act. Do you lead out and bet $35, $70? You want to bet to chase him off the flush? Right? But shouldn't you ask yourself, "Can I chase this person no matter what I bet". If you cannot, your next question should be, "should I bet big because the odds are with me, and the odds are I am going to win" or "should I bet low and play small ball, protecting my stack should that diamond come". I guess the main question here is, offense or defense? Play the odds and punch the betting, or go into defense and keep it small, because you know this person will not fold no matter what.

    Thoughts?? Go easy on me.........

  6. Thanks for reading my post. Just to clarify, a bad beat may get me steamed in the heat of the moment, especially when it is for big bucks, but I never let it show or belittle anybody for putting a bad beat on me. It all evens out in the long run, and I would rather play against people that play AGAINST the percentages than people who play WITH the percentages. Heck, how do you think I built up the bankroll between these bad beats? The bad beats you take -- or put on somebody else -- are nevertheless the most memorable and entertaining to tell and read.

    Those particular bad beats were very poorly timed considering the amount of money in the pot and/or the context of what else was going on at the time, but I am glad so many people make all-in calls when it does not make mathematical sense.

    - JT

  7. I agree with the Captain here. I want these players at my table.

    As far as your example. I think you are making a mistake when you don't bet enough to make it a mistake for your opponent to call. That is where the money in this game is made. Especially when your opponents implied odds are so low against a good player.

  8. @bigdom329
    I just got back from a weekend in Vegas and this question played out precisely for me more than once. One example: LAG Internet idiot at the end of the table has stacked me once on a bad misread on my part but is raising and chasing everything. I consider leaving to find a game with less variance where I can chip away and get my money back. But I decide I have a high variance easy mark in front of me - I know I can get my money in good so I'll pick my spot let him open for $20 (in a 1-2 game) then re-raise a ridiculous amount kwowing he'll call when I have the edge. Sure enough he eventually opens for $20, I trust my read that he doesn't have an over pair and overbet my JJ with an all in raise to $185. He makes the call for $165 more, turns over AQos and says 'okay, let's race'. Of course an A comes in the window. This seemed like a good plan at the time but I leave wondering if I shouldn't have just found another table.

  9. Why nots a standard raise to $60 or $70? I realize with this raise you are nearly pot commited but a fold is still possible.

  10. @bigdom329

    I'm sorry but I'm loving this, I mean you have a guy that's going to call pot sizes bets on the flop and turn and your good 2 out of 3 times. Also I absolutely love when these yahoos call flop and turn pot sizes bets and the river brings them a flush but also pairs the board. There is simply not a better feeling in the world then getting paid in that spot.

  11. @Bigcrit
    Not to hijack the thread but I assume this question was directed at me. Maybe I played it wrong but at the time I felt like I barely had any feld equity popping it to $185, that I'd have zero fold equity with a lesser raise at the next round, that the Villain would call a bet / raise almost no matter what cards came next, that as a result I wouldn't know where I was at and be put to a tough decision, and that at this point in the hand I was probably really ahead (i.e., the caller likely had some of the same cards as the Villain; this turned out to be true, as V2 folded and showed A6h). In short, I was trying to get all my money in with a big advantage. That part worked. Fading the five outs didn't work. Kind of sucked but sh*t happens.

  12. Sucks when an idiot hits. Just seemed like such an over bet in that spot.

  13. @bigdom329 No.

    @bigdom329 No.

    Neither of those.

    If the goal is to win money in the long run, then we should want to bet the most that we think the opponent might call, provided that it is always at least enough to make that call definitively -EV for them if head-up (or if not -EV for that one opponent then +EV for us if multi-way as commonly happens in limit when a bettor/raiser and a caller are both correct due to multiple -EV opponents). We should want to get that call more often than not, but we also do not want to bet so small that we are giving up the extra chips the opponent would have put in the pot while still on that draw, and least of all should we ever choose to bet so small that we give up some of our equity by handing callers a gift of a call that costs less than their equity in making it.

    Disclosure: Since I suck at NL typing this is easier than doing it. And in the long (enough) run we are all dead.

  14. Very very entertaining trip report and interesting follow up comments. I'm with the majority which is "that it's just one long game". The odds work out over time and the best way to win at anything is to play inferior players. For some reason I'm much better accepting a bad beat in a cash game (unless it's massive) as oppossed to tournaments which is probably the opposite of most people. I love tournaments but taking the bad beat when you have limited chips and opportunities is painful. I always feel like in a cash game I can come back over time. I'm not heading to Vegas until Sept but I'll be lurking from now until then just getting primed. Poker, football games, a little blackjack, food and drink.

  15. TRB
    • TRB

    Jamie....how did you get the $20 Mustang? Also, how much were the taxes?
    Thanks.

  16. The way I try to see it is the more bad beats one takes, the more often they're getting their money in good and the better the player they are. Not that it doesnt stop me from monkeytilting from time to time :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: