Showing your neighbor your 77- while everyone has seen this at the poker table the rule is always one player per hand. The dealer is probably right to warn you. The line rule is really weird. Rivers Casino Pittsburgh has a weird rule but no line on the table and it catches me everytime i play there. Easy way ato avoid is don't grab your chips and verbalize ur bet first.

GL in Vegas!!

Here in NY, people show each their cards all the time. I find it quite irritating. It's not fair for one or two people to have an advantage over the rest of the table. However, it's usually the more regular players doing it with familiar dealers and the floor doesn't really enforce any showing rule as the room is pretty relaxed and feels more like a home game more often than not. Sometimes, I'm not sure I like that feeling personally but it is what it is.

@ChuckieAA

showing cards violates the one player per hand rule. yes the dealer
should warn you.

On the chance that this is actually serious...

@ChuckieAA NO!

@ChuckieAA Standard. You should assume that is the case unless you've been specifically informed otherwise as a matter of house rule in a particular room, though I do like to ask when there is a line on the felt in a place I haven't played before or recently.

@ChuckieAA HELL F'ING NO! It would be excellent excellent grounds for throwing your ass out.

And in case you were not aware, writing in caps means I am yelling at you, just like the dealer was yelling.

The casino and its staff were right on each and every point, and you were seriously misguided/misinformed. Congratulations on your good sense not acting on impulse in the situation. Please let yourself be guided by the staff running the room, do NOT act on any of your inclinations on these matters at the poker table, and have a nice visit.

I think this is important, and seems to become more relevant every day from what I see.@jkinsey435
I think you're right to feel that way. So do I, even in places where I might be considered one of the "more regular players" who is "familiar" with the staff. It is why I don't care for TOO big of an emphasis on promos that tend to place a heavy priority on clinging to a daily core group. It inevitably leads to overly familiar relationships among those regulars dealers expect to see every day (and plan to depend on for their tokes - and in some cases may be going home with) resulting in an off-putting uncomfortable atmosphere that rightly discourages people who are not part of the club, and an impossible situation for stronger dealers with more integrity when they step into the box in after the others' downs. I think it is a major part of where people get the idea that little crap like this (and not so little stuff that eventually gets much worse) is hunky-dory and they can feel entitled to do it.

My experience has been that the more tightly a casino poker room clings to "regulars" and allows a feeling that those "players" run the joint the more it drives away others, often leading to them clinging even more tightly to a shrinking circle of ever less desirable "regulars" becoming even more strongly discouraging to others... I've had this conversation many more times than I can count lately among folks talking about "why I don't want to play at 'XYZ' and you probably want to avoid it too" coming from both locals and visitiors. Casino poker rooms and their staff have only got one absolutley legitimately necessary reason to exist: to be a transparently impartial arbiter of the competition. Some of them don't choose to fullfill it, and deserve exactly what they end up with.

In some rooms the line is a betting line. In other rooms it simply outlines the dealers workspace. If there isn't a line on the table, only a 6'4" dealer can reach the chips bet by the corner seats. As a 5'1" dealer, I appreciate the line signifying my workspace.

If you DID tell the other player that he had the nuts, you would be violating the one player to a hand rule. The floor would have been called and you could possibly be asked to leave.

I'm trying to remember the last time I played in a place that used a line on the felt as an actual betting line. I'm drawing a blank. I think I've heard Mandalay Bay? But I never have any reason to go there. I'm sure there's some around somewhere, but can't think of where. Just idly curious, if anyone knows about some.

In the last hand, assuming the player is allowed to flip over his cards before announcing call/fold, shouldn't the dealer ask the player for his decision before shipping the pot to the other guy?

@Pokerdogg Point taken, if there was ambiguity about his intention to call the bet or not. That part didn't seem clear to me; I inferred his apparent eventual choice not to make the call from the absence of a mention of an objection from him as the dealer awarded the pot.

And to be clear: it wasn't wrong for him to table his hand in a head-up situation with no other action pending behind him, before calling or surrendering his hand, so long as decision to make that call remained solely his and his alone without coaching or information about the likely relative strength of his hand being supplied by others before he makes his choice.

this happens alot at osheas in vegas....not that im complaining.its a fun drunk game... so sometimes is good

On the last hand where OP was not in the hand, it's unclear to me if the losing player tabled his hand or not. My understanding has always been that once the hand is tabled that the "cards speak" so not only are other players permitted to help with reading the hand but that people are actively supposed to speak up if the pot is getting pushed the wrong way.

showing your hand to other players? Why? To give them information to beat you with later on?

Fold the nuts face up without calling first? He deserved to lose.

@missingflops

I think that's right, but only if the player verbalized his intention to call (or pushed forward calling chips). In this case, it seems that the losing player had not verbalized his intention, so the other players should stfu!

Assuming the last hand happened as reported, meaning that BP had not announced call/fold. The other players should not tell him what he had, but they should speak up and stop the dealer from pushing the pot to GP before BP announced fold. This should happen regardless of what BP had turned over. I would say something like this to the dealer: "wait, did BP fold?"

Agreed-- that would also be supporting the integrity of the game.

@Local Rock

Part of the reason why I decide to take a break from live poker. At least from the local place. I love the dealers and staff but some of the regulars do tend to get away with some things that wouldn't be allowed in most other poker rooms. When I decide to play live again, I will likely travel to Erie, PA or Syracuse to play.

Jess

@Pokerdogg

So would it be fair to say that there is no issue with a player not in the hand prompting the dealer to clarify the action, but there should be no help in hand reading until and unless the player announces the intent to call?

@cbob8

It has nothing to do with the integrity of the game. Players are
responsible for protecting their OWN hands. This isn't a team sport.
On top of that, there was no dealer error to question.

Mr. Flops (or may I call you Missing?) I think there may be some confusion over "tabling" a hand (claiming a right to the pot) which only occurs with action complete, versus showing cards when some further action would be required (calling the bet in this case) in order to "table" a hand to make a claim to a pot.

Yes, if a hand has been tabled (cards shown face up with action complete) then "the cards speak" and it becomes every players ethical obligation to correct a misreading of those hands which have been tabled. I imagine this might be what the original poster was thinking about in the situation. I have quite properly won and lost pots that way, and probably will again, as I imagine you have too. It is important and right to do this, to speak up about a misreading of the hand or the board, in those occasional cases where the dealer may have misread the hand, and before the start of the the next hand, but only when there is no further action pending and therefore no player's pending decision can be influenced.

EDIT:

@missingflops

So would it be fair to say that there is no issue with a player not in the hand prompting the dealer to clarify the action, but there should be no help in hand reading until and unless the player announces the intent to call?[/quote]
Right. And probably more clearly stated than what I just did.

@jkinsey435 Sands in Bethlehem is starting to sound like a pretty good option in that neck-o-the-woods to me!

I am coming out on the 11th of December and I will be staying at the Riviera. I have searched a lot of things to see where I want to play. It seems that I will have a good time. I hope you do too!

@Local Rock

So would it be fair to say that there is no issue with a player not in the hand prompting the dealer to clarify the action, but there should be no help in hand reading until and unless the player announces the intent to call?[/quote]
Right. And probably more clearly stated than what I just did.[/quote]

Hey, you can call me whatever you want as long as you don't call me late for dinner. Wasn't there a HHAG mention somewhere else recently?

You're spot on that I was confusing the tabling a hand situation due to the fact that while the player had apparently put his cards face up on the table he hadn't announced any action. If that indeed was allowed to be a "cards speak" situation, then I can only imagine the problems that would ensue. I know the situation struck me as odd and I realize now it was because the dealer pushed the pot before the player had actually acted.

Best advice is to never show your cards to anyone, even your brother, sister, wife, husband, best friend, and never say anything except, fold, call or raise. If you say call then count out the chips and put them in. If it's a raise, count out the amount you have to call and then count of the raise and push both stacks in. Keep it simple.