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I play 1-2 and 2-5 no limit live and lately these games have changed in dynamic with obnoxiously wide ranges being limped preflop making 6,7,8 and 9 handed pots postflop. Im playing an extremely tight range to combat the looseness of these games and have been experimenting with my Preflop raise sizing. I used to do about 4x plus one BB for every limper but lately ive just been getting called and going 6 or 7 handed to a flop to be stuck with my over cards or over pair multiways. I started just opening to about 7x plus a big blind per limper but now im just finding the same spots in bigger pots with less maneuverability in my stack. These players are very passive so Im not so worried about getting bluffed, my main concern is loosing value since you cant really just C bet a 7 way pot with air and hope it to work out. Very difficult to value bet light or at all really in these multi way bloated pots awell.
Any Advice for defining multiple loose opponents hands post flop since i dont think i can get them to fold these holdings pre? I guess its just more about absolute hand strength then relative hand strength since these players have so much gamble and arent going to fold even the weakest of draws without seeing that river. Im wondering if this is even a game that an edge can be found in because so many hands are getting to the river.
Kinda broad question but any help would be appreciated.. thanks
These are tough games for me. I play much better getting the pot heads up or three handed.
Have you considered opening up your limping range? Maybe see more flops cheaply with deeper stacks and just make better value bets and size better than your opponents post flop. That may be where your edge lies in a game like this.
thanks @BentonBlakeman Thats some decent insight, i think ill open my limping range and experiment with some post flop over bets with my made hands and stronger draws to see if i cant encourage more folds.
I agree with Benton, these games are less than optimal. Sometimes the best tool a cash game player has is a table change.
If that is not an option try a smaller pre-flop raise (you are going to get multiple callers anyway) then C-bet no matter how many callers you get. This will have meta game effects which might alter the table dynamics. By regularly c-betting you let your opponents know they are not just calling your pre flop raise they are committing to a bet after the flop as well.
This might sound silly, but have you considered 10x open raises + the limp money? I have seen this a lot in soft passive NL games with 5-7 way action every hand preflop. Other than limping, this would be my suggestion. If you are able to successfully narrow the number of opponents after a big preflop raise, you don't necessarily have to keep c-betting based on the pot size if they are passive layers. So in other words, you might be able to c-bet only 30% of the pot on flop in a 3-handed scenario if you're up against passive players. So use a big c-bet to get to heads up or 3-handed, and then c-bet as needed, but not necessarily at the same percentage of the pot size as you typically would against more aggressive or laggy players.